tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN April 16, 2013 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
♪ that does it for me. i'm brooke baldwin live today in boston. jake tapper takes it from here. jake? thank you, brooke baldwin. an act of terror on our soil. this city, this country on alert. i'm jake tapper and this is "the lead." there is only one lead today. it is of course cnn's continuing coverage of the terrorist bombings here in boston. we are devoting our entire hour to the newest developments in the investigation. to the victims, to the heroes, and to the man hunt. there are as of now no arrests, no suspects have been named, no responsibility has been claimed.
no reason has been given for the senseless attacks. now we've learned the name of a second victim who died in the attack. her name was krystle campbell of medford, massachusetts. boston is in mourning. boston is also holding its breath as authorities chase down the person or people who did this. any shred of evidence from the public could make the difference. memories here are still fresh from the scariest terror incident in our borders since 9/11. >> we have a multi casualty incident here. >> reporter: just over 25 hours and ten minutes ago, three from the boston marathon's cheerful crowd were forever silenced, including 8-year-old richard martin and 29-year-old krystle campbell. >> be very careful of secondary devices. we have very serious injuries. >> reporter: we now know more than 170 others from ages 2 to
71 are recovering from the physical wounds of these horrifying blasts. >> severe trauma in their lower extremity that was beyond salvation so i would consider them almost automatic amputees. we just completed what the bob had already done. >> the bombs we now know were loaded with shrapnel for the maximum destruction. >> there is no question some of these devices, objects were implanted in the device for the purposes of being exploded forward when the bomb went off. these are small. they are about 2 to 3 millimeters in diameter. and we have also removed over a dozen small carpenter type nails from one patient. >> reporter: the world is struggling to cope with the emotional aftermath. >> an extremely sad day for all of us but even more so for the patients and relatives. i had the pleasure of interacting with many of the relatives and obviously they are
saddened by the events. >> reporter: within these 24 short hours since the boston marathon bombings, we can determine this. >> this was a heinous and cowardly act. given what we now know took place the fbi is investigating it as an act of terrorism. >> it was a terrorist attack of some sort. >> reporter: no group, domestic or international, has claimed responsibility for the attacks but officials pledged to find out who is to blame as quickly as possible. we will find this person, trust me, or persons, whoever is involved, and bring them to justice the american way. not the uncivilized way that they reaped the carnage on us. >> reporter: i'm on the ground here in boston to bring you the latest today in that investigation as new information continues to pour out from this resilient city. i am also right now going to join lillian campbell as we mentioned at the top of the show just within the last few hours we found the name of a second
victim who died in the terrorist attack here, krystle campbell of medford, massachusetts, just 29 years old, and right now joining us on the phone is her grandmother, lillian. first of all, mrs. campbell, our deepest condolences to you on what must be a horrible, horrible time. tell us about your granddaughter. >> she was a beautiful girl. she was very happy, outgoing, a hard worker, and she was great with me. she loved her nana as i loved her. she lived with me for about a year and a half. >> when was the last time you saw her? >> thursday. >> how did you get the news? did the police tell the family? was there another way?
did the media tell you? >> it was my grandson. he was over at the hospital. he got a call that crystal was hurt so he went over but he couldn't get in to see her or anything. and then his father and mother went over and they wouldn't let them in either until about 15, 20 minutes after. then when they went in, my son looked at her and there was a girl and a dad and then he yelled, it wasn't his daughter. it was my granddaughter's friend caroline was in the bed not krystle. so my son didn't know anything about krystle until this afternoon. the fbi told him to go over to mass general hospital to
identify her, but they wouldn't let them see her, only by a picture. so i haven't heard from them yet. i don't know what else is going on. >> mrs. campbell, once again our deepest condolences. before i let you go i just want to give you the opportunity to tell our viewers around the world, how do you want the world to remember your granddaughter, your beloved granddaughter? >> that was a fun, outgoing person. she was always there to help somebody. she was just beautiful. she was a fun loving girl and out there to help anybody and everybody.
and she was very close to all of her friends. they loved her, all of her friends did. and the family, they're beside themselves right now, because something happened to her. she was a special person in the family. and to her friends. lillian campbell, our deepest condolences to you. thank you so much for joining us. >> all right. thank you. >> now to the investigation into this heinous crime. cnn chief national correspondent and boston native john king joins me from nearby dorchester. what is the latest on the investigation? >> reporter: 25 hours later, still many, many more questions than answers as we talk to several officials. >> can't hear, john.
so we're having technical issues with john king. we'll get back to him in a moment as soon as we can get that line fixed. i want to now bring in cnn national security analyst fran townsend. she has some new developments on the possible construction of this bomb. fran, what have you learned? >> jake, federal law enforcement officials confirmed to cnn, now, that this was -- these were, in fact, pressure cooker explosive devices. it was explained to me that these pressure cooker devices necessarily include a circuit board, a timer, but they would not confirm that they had found pieces of those component pieces of the bombs, the circuit board or the timer. this is sort of unfortunate in a way. you remember we've been talking about the actual construction would help them understand who was likely behind the explosion -- the explosive devices. the problem is, these i'm told component pieces are commonly available.
they're easily obtained. the construction, the design of such an explosive device using a pressure cooker is widely disseminated and known. so this won't be the kind of help that the feds were hoping to get from looking at the signature of the bomb. they thought this might help them discern whether it was a foreign or domestic group, a lone wolf, or a group behind it. also, they are talking about trying to quickly release a photo of the device. why? they tell me that so they can get that to other law enforcement officialtors be on the lookout when looking at suspicious packages to see if there are any devices, other devices out there that would be a threat to public safety. this was the same protocol they used when they had that computer printer cartridge bombs. they did get those photos out and widely disseminate them to the media and law enforcement officials. that is their intention here. finally, jake, the dhs officials, homeland security
officials confirmed they did participate in the joint intelligence assessment that -- prior to the marathon -- and that there were no threats that they were aware of to the marathon before-hand. >> all right. fran townsend, thank you so much. we'll check in with you later. congressman bill keating of massachusetts now joins us. he serves on the homeland security committee in the house. he joins me now from the house of representatives. congressman, you spoke to the secretary of homeland security, janet napolitano just a few moments ago. what more have you learned about this attack? >> actually a few hours ago. but what we have learned is that they haven't been able to distinguish whether it is an international or domestic terrorist, only that there is a treasure trove of potential evidence in videos and witness statements and a large part of our focus at the federal level working with state and local officials is to try and provide
the assets necessary to accelerate the viewing of the videos to bring in experts that might be able to determine information from those videos. the videos remain one of the center points of the investigation. there are still videos flooding in from individuals, because iphones and other video equipment. and that's all welcomed. but there is a mountain of this information to go through and it does present a very encouraging avenue, given the magnitude of the video and the camera work that was done there in terms of what happened at that scene. so that remains one of the priorities right now. >> congressman, you used to be a district attorney here in massachusetts in norfolk county. i wonder if it surprises you at all that there seemed to be so few specific leads. i understand there is this potential treasure trove of evidence with all the video surveillance, all the video
cameras, and smart phone cameras at the finish line of the boston marathon. but it doesn't seem like from law enforcement officials we have any real leads unless i'm under the wrong impression here. >> as a district attorney i can tell you this. if they are approaching anything promising the last thing they want to do is get that public. there are occasions when you have to make disclosures because public safety is jeopardized and you have to at that time compromise those leads. i'm sure they're following different potential leads right now. some of them will be dead ends. some of them are continuing i'm sure to investigate. that is not going to be shared. one of the greatest advantages you have as an investigator is when you have information and the perpetrators that you're trying to find don't realize you have that information. so i wouldn't take that as the fact that they don't have leads. i suspect strongly they're approaching different leads and
will determine which ones make sense and will keep going until they find out that's not what happened or continue on with that. so don't assume that they aren't -- they're not pursuing leads. >> thank you very much, congressman. coming up a family grieves while it recovers. a little boy cheering from the sidelines. he's gone. his mother and his sister are seriously injured. we will remember the life of martin richard. plus, so many people became heroes yesterday as lives were saved in the streets. and in emergency rooms across the city as well. i'll talk to one doctor who faced the toughest day of her life. [ female announcer ] what if the next big thing, isn't a thing at all?
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some of the horrific images from yesterday's day of carnage at the finish line of the boston marathon. welcome back to "the lead" i'm jake tapper live in boston with continuing coverage of the terrorist attacks at the boston marathon. one family literally changed in a flash yesterday suffering an unthinkable horror when a little boy cheering on people crossing the finish line was killed. his mother also suffered a massive brain injury and his 6-year-old sister lost her leg. the boy, 8-year-old martin richard, is the youngest known fatality of this attack. yet even at his young age he was able to deliver a simple and
powerful and now haunting message that has been shared tens of thousands of times today on facebook and across the internet. almost a year ago he was photographed at school holding a sign. on it was written five simple words. "no more hurting people." peace. this as so many adults also struggle to comprehend the violence that took young martin's life. cnn's chief national correspondent john king joins me now from dorchester, the boston neighborhood that martin grew up in, also where john king grew up in. john, how is your community reacting to this horrible, horrible news? >> reporter: jake, can tell you there are waves of sadness. people are still stunned. we stopped by the community charter school where martin richard went to school. his younger sister was in the first grade. his mother was the librarian there. the students, we are told, were in shock. they were bringing counselors in. the faculty was in shock and it is an eerie sight.
the flag was at half staff literally on the intersection of the street i grew up on. it's up on a hill. when you look over the hill you can see the prudential tower, the hancock building. those are the copley square landmarks. you can see the very spot where this young mabe was killed, this young child was killed. his mother was wounded and his sister was wounded. they were there near the finish line watching the end of the boston marathon. you see me now standing, if you're from boston especially dorchester when people ask you where you're from you identify it by your parish. this is st. anne parish where the richard family went to church. there is a vigil that was supposed to be in this church tonight. they've moved it to a local park because we believe the crowd of locals will be larger than can fit in to st. anne parish here. martin richard was described as an avid little league player. he has an older brother who goes to a different charter school in the neighborhood as well. and you mentioned the young victim. that's what most horrifies the people of boston, that such senseless violence to begin with
has taken a young life here and there is mourning in this town. you mentioned his mother denise. she was a state employee for ten years. she left when she became pregnant with her young daughter. then she took a job as a librarian at the school. i am told she is in better condition today. a family friend told me it's still dicey for her. the young girl, first grader, is also still hospitalized recovering from her injuries. i am told she has lost all or part of one leg and the big fear today is that she may have to lose all or part of a second leg to keep her in stable condition. the young girl, jane, was an irish step dancer. you get the shock at the loss of that young boy. you have the shock in his family. people here waiting, waiting to hear progress on the investigation. so a mix of mourning and a mix of anger i would say in dorchester, a very blue collar, gritty community. i used to come on my bike and turn up the street for my paper route a long time ago. i can tell you there is a lot of
resilience but it is mostly sadness today. thank you very much. yards away from the site of the explosion was a medical tent with a full complement of doctors and nurses who were there at the boston marathon volunteering to help with runners. as the bombs went off they rushed out into danger to tend to the wounded. i sat down with dr. christina hernon, an emergency room physician from u-mass memorial health care just one of the heroic doctors and nurses who ran out to help. >> we heard and felt the first noise and then the second noise. the room became very quiet. >> reporter: did you have any idea what it was? >> i didn't. i knew i had never heard or felt anything like that before. and i definitely felt it throughout my whole body. after the first one my mind was racing with did something backfire, did something fall? was in a gas explosion? what happened? after the second one i found myself thinking of a colleague
of mine that was in the baghdad e.r. and his description of being in a place providing medical care and hearing loud noises outside and wondering how close they were. and i found myself actually having that thought. >> people just yelling we need doctors outside. we need nurses outside. >> yes. we need people. we need doctors. we need nurses. any available person, please come to the finish line to help. and people did. not knowing what they were walking into. >> they ran right into it. did you go or stay? >> i went. >> what did you see? >> people being brought in wheelchairs or being carried or being assisted and walking with lots of blood on the face. >> who was the first patient? >> it was everybody. it felt like everybody was my patient. >> were there children? >> i only saw one child in a wheelchair with signs of heat scorching the hair on his head. i think an arm injury. i'm not sure. i think it was an arm injury.
but mostly i remember just the look on his face. his eyes were very empty and more of a stare. i didn't really see fear or sadness. i just saw empty and confused. >> you're an emergency room physician so you're used to seeing people in desperate times. but i imagine this must have been the worst thing you've ever seen. the number of people, really a mass casualty incident. i've never blood pressure involved in anything like that there is nothing lucky about this incident but i suppose it could have been a lot worse if there hadn't been a whole bunch of nurses and residents just yards away. >> that part is amazing. every patient there was vulnerable and as injured as they were had at their side a doctor or a nurse or a medical student and all of these volunteers who wanted to be
nowhere else other than at the side of that injured, vulnerable patient. >> dr. christina hernon has volunteered at seven boston marathons and told us this year they were staffed with even more doctors and nurses and other medical personnel than usual because last year's race was so hot. a move that may have saved many lives at this year's race. so many questions still left unanswered. how did the people or person responsible for this attack get the bombs in place after police had combed the area for explosives? we'll have the latest on the investigation, straight ahead. >> by the time i was trying to fall asleep it was hitting me this was really real app waking up this morning and realizing it is not a nightmare but actually happened. >> it was surreal and whoever did it was the embodiment of evil. unbelievable. stunning work of technology. ♪ this is the 2013 lexus es
some of the photographs of boston's security forces from yesterday. welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper. we're coming to you live from boston just blocks from the site of the deadly terrorist attack during the city celebrated marathon. at this hour we know the names of two of the three victims who were killed in the bombings. the second victim has been identified as 29-year-old krystle campbell. earlier we learned 8-year-old martin richard also died in the attack. "the boston globe" reports that martin's mom and sister also
suffered grievous injuries and are still in the hospital along with most of the 183 people who were injured in the explosion. some of them are still fighting for their lives at this hour. meanwhile, a senior u.s. official tells our barbara starr at the pentagon that no foreign connection or link to al qaeda had been found in this attack, at least not yet. they have not named any suspect yet, the federal government, and no one has claimed responsibility. but the man hunt is on one assumes one of the most intense in our country's history. the news of the attack sent a shock wave through wall street yesterday. the dow suffered its biggest drop of the year. today the markets bounced back. optimism about housing and a pickup in hiring are credited for the surge. the traders began the day with a moment of silence for the victims in boston just before the opening bell. we'll have more on the marathon
bombings in just a moment, but first we want to bring you some of today's other headlines. thousands of american airlines passengers are stuck at their gates thanks to a computer outage. the airline grounded flights across the country until 5:00 p.m. eastern while the system is being repaired. american airlines said the ground stop did not impact arrivals. passengers who want to change their reservations will not be charged the airline says. with very little fanfare, lawmakers took the first step on a long road toward immigration reform. a bipartisan group of senators unveiled a bill which links the pathway to citizenship with border security. under the legislation, most undocumented immigrants would have to wait a decade or more for full citizenship but those without criminal backgrounds would get some form of legal status. in the meantime the federal government would pump billions into building new fences and adding extra security at the border. you've seen the photos, a woman
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some of the photographs from last night. welcome back to "the lead." i'm jake tapper coming to you live from the streets of boston. a series of still frames paints a haunting picture of chaos here just moments after the marathon bombings. we warn you some of the photographs we're about to show you may be disturbing. they were captured by a "boston globe" photographer who stood steps away from the -- actually we'll interrupt our coverage right now to go to boston medical center for a live press conference. >> today after the incident at the finish line, so as we discussed earlier there had been 23 patients who did come to us. four of those patients were able to be discharged after an evaluation and then the 19 patients that remained with us had 16 operations. today we did five more operations on these patients but, luckily, the patients are progressing, so earlier today we
had said there were ten patients who were in critical condition. some of those patients haven't improved throughout today and were able to be ex-tubated. currently critical are seven patients. we now have six in serious condition and six in fair condition. so patients are progressing. some faster than others of course. and there are still many of these patients who still need operations both tomorrow, the next day, and friday planning to go back to the operating room with these patients. >> can you talk about any of the shrapnel-like material and the procedures you took to -- >> several patients, as you know, had fragments removed and we do that separate from just
this incident. we do that whenever there is a foreign body such as a gun shot wound or something like that. and the evidence is handled the same each time where as it's removed it is sent to the pathologist to then record it and then it gets sent on its way so it has a chain of evidence. that hasn't really changed. it's what we always do for this type of situation. we've been removing various things from people in the sense of it's not necessarily -- there are various, random things. >> medical center press conference and we just learned from the doctor that ten of the patients yesterday were in critical condition. now the number is seven. >> it's just little particles of metal? >> particles of metal and plastic. right. that's what we're seeing in our patients. >> of the patients who are able to speak, what kind of stories
are they telling you? >> believe it or not as the doctors we often don't ask the stories. we usually just focus on the surgery and the care. >> and they're quite traumatized. how do they seem themselves? >> they seem remarkably calm and most of them do have family and loved ones with them, which is nice. so they seem to be handling this very well given the circumstances. usually it's our social workers or the other people who work with us that sort of talk to them more about what happened. we sort of focus on the surgery and the care. >> can you tell us how many you have with you? >> the number hasn't changed. i believe it was five total. but i cannot -- i don't know the count of how many it was one versus two. >> do you know how many were runners and how many were spectators? >> i think not all -- we did have one runner possibly. it was -- but not one of the
critical people. all the critical people are spectators. >> of the five surgeries can you describe what they were? >> so this was all planned operations. so the person who needed, or i'm sorry, the person who had their abdomen operated on needed to go back to the operating room and that happened today. then a couple people who needed their wounds, what we call washed out, irrigated, they went today as well. so it was all planned operations. >> and will there be discharges of some of these people -- possibly. we're obviously taking our time. a lot of the wounds we're concerned about infection given the nature of what happened. so it's nice to sort of keep an eye on them to make sure they don't have an infection. but we have planned operations again for tomorrow for maybe nine of the patients are going to be going back again tomorrow.
and then the next day several patients again going back. >> you also have a child? >> yes. still critical condition. improving. i would rather not go into the detail. >> okay. >> traumatic injury from this and he's still in critical condition. >> the particles of metal i know it is hard to tell what they were or are. is there any theory about whether they were packed into the bomb? >> i couldn't really comment on that. just, yeah. i couldn't really comment on that. nothing obvious that showed it was from the bomb. >> dr. ulrich from e.d. had commented on that. i personally haven't seen bbs. he may have. obviously the wounds, once we removed the leg the wounds are gone and sent off to the pathologist. >> any other questions?
doctor, was the 5-year-old one of the surgeries today? >> no. >> you said you'd have nine surgeries tomorrow? >> several. eight or nine we have planned so far. >> you're listening to dr. tracy deckert, a trauma surgeon at boston medical center, telling reporters about the patients at the medical center. they have been -- several of them have been upgraded. ten were in critical condition yesterday. now it is seven of them in critical condition. that means the patients are improving obviously. she talked about the metal and plastic serving as shrapnel. very gruesome images when you think about it. i'm joined now by somebody who knows from gruesome injuries. john, you've been a photographer for more than 30 years. you were at the finish loan and you took several of the pictures that we have seen that have haunted us. one of them we just learned is
going to be the cover of "sports illustrated" which i guess in a normal situation would be something you'd be excited about. but it must be something of a mixed emotion today. >> i can see them using it. it shows the horror of the situation. you know, he was a runner blown over by the explosion and three boston police officers almost in shock realizing something bad has happened. one female police officer has her gun out. i mean, if that's the cover of "sports illustrated" and what the marathon has come to, that's sad. >> it is a sad statement. how does somebody -- a lot of people think about photographers as just there, passionless, taking photographs. obviously it does take a mental and emotional toll. how have you been doing, dealing with seeing the horrifying images in front uff recording them but then going back to the boston globe handing them in.
are you doing okay? >> i'm doing okay. it really hit me this morning when i get the globe delivered at home and there on the front page is my picture and it makes me think that i'm doing my job. i don't want to get in people's way but i think the world needs to see what tragedy has happened. i'm there. i can't go back. i have to go forward. i have to go into the scene of the explosion and i'm sensitive. i'm emotional about it. but, you know, my number one job is to be the eyes of the reader. >> lastly, we know from too many of these incidents or too many scenes of carnage whether 9/11 or the fort hood shootings or what's going on in afghanistan that there are photographs that the public is not shown. how do you decide when you're handing in pictures which ones you're not even going to let your editors see? >> very difficult, you know, incredible question. i went through them yesterday.
i came back. i was shaking when i was looking through them. it brought back everything. it was, you know, very difficult to edit through them. there was pictures i had of limbs blown off and people in agony and i don't want to look at those again. i don't want people to see those. i try to be as discreet as possible, you know, we try to get around showing the blood and things like that, but in this case you just have to see what i saw, what everybody else saw. >> all right. thank you for your work. appreciate it. the sadness here in boston is palatable. there's also been an amazing amount of courage and community in the face of terrorism. here's a look at what i saw on the streets of boston after the attack. this is boston, the day after. marathoners are still here, easy to spot in their yellow and blue. instead of celebrating their victories, they seem unsure of what to do next. >> this is the stuff that happens in bosnia or syria but not the united states.
>> reporter: it is a city on edge. this is downtown boston, the heart of the city that's copley square behind me and it is always jagr rring to see a plac like this turned into a crime scene and what looks like a war zone. some people we spoke to were trying to pick up where yesterday so violently ended. this woman picked up a medal for her friend who was injured in the blast and is still in the hospital. >> he's okay but they're keeping him for observation and i'm going to go there and give him his medal today. >> on one street cups that once contained water for runners left here. a memorial to what was once felt here. what do you tell your kids? >> we talked about it and make sure they understand we are safe and there are lots of helpers making the city safe for us. bad things like this happen but there's many, many other people out there who are making it right. >> on another street medals and
the possessions of those who didn't finish the race. what is today like for you? >> scary. it's not like a normal tuesday after a marathon when you put things away and drive home. instead, we're doing this. >> perhaps the most emotional place in boston today is this corner of boyleston street. wreaths hang from lamp posts. flowers have begun to pile up. part memorial, part crime scene. >> it is very disturbing to see all this debris on the side and know that, you know, right up there i could have been running down this way and been part of it. very grateful i wasn't. >> our day in boston. the last few steps this runner took he'll never forget for the rest of his life. directly through the smoke and carnage and hustling first responders into his fiance's arms. leo and his fiance lori are here with us. i'll let you go first, leo.
tell us your experience, what you saw. >> a combination of, i mean, exuberance. i was about to finish, you know, one of the biggest dreams of my life, you know. >> this is your first marathon? >> no. this is my fourth one but this one was very important to me because i raised so much monday foir the local chapter of baton rouge cystic fibrosis almost $33,000. i was running for a lot of people back home. you know, and you turn on boyleston street and you see the crowds screaming for you and all of a sudden the first bomb went off and i thought it was like a cannon, like a celebratory cannon. >> right. >> then the second one was about a hundred yards away and now i knew something was wrong because then i saw fires with things flying up in the air. i stopped, you know, i was looking to finish up under four hours and i knew i had like four or five minutes left. and i just stopped. and then i saw people running toward me.
i went to the first bomb and i don't even know if i should ever go and keep walking. i mean, things are so -- at the first bomb was just horrible. horrible. >> so the victims you saw -- >> yeah. i had to go right through it to get to her. i knew she was standing in the grand stands. she was right there. she had gotten a v.i.p. pass from john hancock who was response orring me. i knew where she was. she knew where i was because she was tracking me. i finished the race at i think two hours and -- >> 2:54. >> and the bombs went off at 2:50. >> where were you, in the stands? >> i was actually on the the ground in front of the grand stands. at that point i was behind the finish line. it was our first marathon not running together so i wanted to take a picture and they allowed me to come down with my pass and take a picture. i was waiting and all of a sudden the first bomb went off and i was confused, then realized -- i didn't realize what it was at first and then
the second one went off and we knew what it was. we just saw things flying and a couple -- i remember a couple that tried to pull me back and then they said it's going to be okay. i didn't know what to do. i was confused but i knew he was out there and i knew by the time i had just tracked he was seconds away. he should be coming through any time. and i knew they were trying to help me but i just fought my way away and i fell to my knees and screamed his name. and got back up and i just proceeded to the finish line again to go find him and there he was coming in. >> tell me about the moment when you found him. >> held him tight and we hugged and kissed but it seemed like eternity. very happy to see him again and very blessed. >> tell me about the moment that you saw her and knew she was okay. >> you know, it's like -- i wanted to -- all i wanted to do was get to her. you don't know how to react. yes after running 26 miles your
adrenalin is still just going at it, you know, going strong, and it just kicked up even more. i don't remember -- i remember making that turn. my legs were killing me. you know, my calf was hurting. i don't remember feeling anything, you know, and i don't remember people screaming or crying, you know. people without limbs and there was no sounds, you know, when i got to her we hugged and i remember i just told someone else, you know, with cnn in spanish, somebody interviewed us right when we finished. >> right after it happened. >> i don't remember, to be honest with you. >> we were in shock, still. >> we're glad you guys are okay. >> thank you. >> appreciate it so much. coming up he was steps away from the terrorist attacks at the munich olympics in 1972, and he had just been right near the finish line here in boston as the bombs exploded. i'll talk to gold medal marathoner frank shorter, next.
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we know the names of two of the three people who died here in the terrorist attack on the boston marathon. 29-year-old krystle campbell of medford, massachusetts is the latest name we've learned. we spoke to her grandmother at the top of the hour. >> and she was just beautiful. she was just a fun-loving girl. and out there to help anybody and everybody. >> the other name we know is martin richard, the 8-year-old with a sweet smile, who was the first confirmed dead. president obama today made it clear that the bombings in the city are considering an act of terrorism in the eyes of the federal government. the flags at the white house and every federal building are at half staff. we're also learning more about the bombs used to carry out this attack. federal law enforcement sources confirmed to cnn that these bombs were in pressure cookers. the items needed to build these bombs are said to be easy to come by which could make the bomb maker's signature harder to nail down.
we expect to learn more at a news conference with law enforcement at 5:00 p.m. eastern time cnn will bring that to you live. we've also just learned senator saxby chambliss the ranking republican on the senate intelligence committee said, quote, there are a lot of things that are surrounding this that would give an indication that it may have been a domestic terrorist, but that just can't be assumed. i realized it was a horrific situation and that nobody deserved it. those were the words of olympic marathoner frank shorter after a terrorist attack, but this time he was talking about the munich games in 1972. those words also ring true for what shorter witnessed in boston yesterday. he had just stepped away from the celebration in copley square when he hear the boom of the explosions, a gut-wrenching dejavu for frank shorter. he witnessed terrorists carry out the attacks on israeli athletes at the 1972 olympics. days later he went on to win the gold medal in the olympic marathon. frank shorter joins me now live
from denver. frank, thanks so much for joining us. what went through your mind when you first heard the explosions yesterday? >> the first thing that went through my mind was that's a bomb. unfortunately, as you said, i have the experience. i'd been there before. i was actually sleeping on the balcony in the olympic village. i was outside my room because my roommate, dave wattle, was inside and we were deciding to sleep separately and i heard the shots. when i heard the first bomb, i just had come off the street and then the second bomb actually was about 40 yards away from me just across the street. the first thought that went through my mind was oh, no. oh, no. because i knew -- i knew that anyone near something that severe was -- there were going to be fatalities. to have a connection to that and see the face of young martin
richard after he just hugged his dad finishing the marathon, it was just too much coming all back together, really. >> you heard the gunshots in munich and you heard the bombs in boston. i don't know if there have been any terrorist attacks at a major sporting event since 1972. it's a horrifying coincidence that you were at both. >> right. and that's what struck me. i said, we really in the athletic community had kind of maybe been a little bit lulled thinking the international community and perhaps even the terrorist community kind of considered international athletics because the whole world was there to be pretty much off limits. but this is the view that we used to have, the view of that terrorist with the stocking cap. we as athletes stood out there and watched him from across the court yard just wondering what to do because it was the first time.
the first international act of terrorism. but i think what's a parallel here is we as athletes, and this is where i hope people can learn from what's going on in terms of how to move forward and how to process this, everyone talks about shock. we as athletes had to go through the shock, the depression, the bottoming out, and the emergence and in a matter of days because we were going to compete. i, for example, competed five days later in the olympic marathon. and my choice really, and this is the message i want to sort of convey to people, was i decided at that point the one thing over which i had control were my emotions and my fear. and i made the decision and i told my friend kenny moore on the way back from the olympic memorial service and the olympic stadium, i said, kenny, you know, in our race i'm not going to think about the fact that the only place the terrorists can do anything else in these games is going to be out on the marathon course because if i do they